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		<title>By: Martin Stewart-Weeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Stewart-Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear - trying to write too quickly.  Or maybe I&#039;m just not as well educatec as you think (or i may like to think).  So right (both of you) - &#039;distinterest&#039; is such an important word in a world which has largely forgotten what it means or why it matters.  Thanks for the upbraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear &#8211; trying to write too quickly.  Or maybe I&#8217;m just not as well educatec as you think (or i may like to think).  So right (both of you) &#8211; &#8216;distinterest&#8217; is such an important word in a world which has largely forgotten what it means or why it matters.  Thanks for the upbraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Public Strategist</title>
		<link>http://publicstrategist.com/2009/10/e-government-ten-years-on/comment-page-1/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator>Public Strategist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch.  Fair cop.  I blame him, he started it ;)
And no, we shouldn&#039;t give up on disinterest, it&#039;s a very good word, with a very necessary meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch.  Fair cop.  I blame him, he started it <img src='http://publicstrategist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And no, we shouldn&#8217;t give up on disinterest, it&#8217;s a very good word, with a very necessary meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now look guys. you are both extremely well educated and you surely know that disinterest is to do with being impartial and quite different from lack of interest. Maybe all textual programmes should automatically query words related to disinterest and check whether the author means something else. Or do you think we should just give up on this word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now look guys. you are both extremely well educated and you surely know that disinterest is to do with being impartial and quite different from lack of interest. Maybe all textual programmes should automatically query words related to disinterest and check whether the author means something else. Or do you think we should just give up on this word?</p>
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		<title>By: Blogging about other blogger&#8217;s blogs! &#171; The Great E-mancipator</title>
		<link>http://publicstrategist.com/2009/10/e-government-ten-years-on/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogging about other blogger&#8217;s blogs! &#171; The Great E-mancipator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on LSE&#8217;s web site - the one by Peter Gilroy is worth a look!   The history lesson from Public Strategist was not new to me, having been haunted by it since the beginning, and having had to revisit the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on LSE&#8217;s web site - the one by Peter Gilroy is worth a look!   The history lesson from Public Strategist was not new to me, having been haunted by it since the beginning, and having had to revisit the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ten years of e-Government &#171; Rage on Omnipotent</title>
		<link>http://publicstrategist.com/2009/10/e-government-ten-years-on/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Ten years of e-Government &#171; Rage on Omnipotent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] valuable reminder of what was going on in the e-Government era (and funny to see fishinglicence.co.uk there &#8211; I joined just after the service had been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Stewart-Weeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Stewart-Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s all very fair.  My original comment was perhaps a tad over gloomy, doubtless reflecting the very late hour at which it was written.  

Your rehearsal of the changes we&#039;ve seen in the past 10 years and the relatively quick uptake, at least in some parts of the public sector, of the new tools of Web 2.0, is a timely reminder that undiluted pessmisim is not warranted. I can go now, for example, to the main website of the Victorian Government in Australia and find, as a matter of coure, a &#039;rate this site&#039; button as well as twitter feeds and a couple of RSS options.  At that level, at least, you can&#039;t deny evidence of progress.

So why the pessmism?  Well, because there are still levels of resistance to some of the more interesting potential changes that Web 2, especially, could bring about.  And it is also still possible to witness discussions about the need for more energetic and sustained reformation in government agencies (structure, systems, skills etc)whihc are full of overblown rhetoric and scant evidence of genuine follow through.   I think also too much of the wokr that is being done - like the &#039;rate this site&#039; button and the RSS feed on the Victorian Government home page - comes without any decent analysis of whether or not it is achieving anything.  What exactly do users of the Victorian Govt website get from the added features?  Is their experience of government and their interaction with the governing process any the better for these relatively superficial additions? 

I was part of an wonderful discussion this morning between the Australian Government Task Force on Government 2.0 (www.gov2.net.au) - of which I am a member - and Beth Noveck, author of &quot;Wiki Government&quot; and currently Deputy CTO in the White House for the Obama open and transparent government strategy.  Among many notable insights, Beth made the point, in response to a heartfelt question from one of our public service Task Force members about the difficult of overcoming resistance to change inside the bureaucracy, that in a large and distributed enterprise like government, it was always possible to find plenty of people willing and keen to be involved in true, ground-breaking change.  The task is to find them, bind them together in new communities of influence and practice and then highlight the great results they achieve.  In other words, Beth Noveck&#039;s advice seemed to be to &#039;accentuate the positive&#039;, I guess and and the risks of overdoing the pessmism.

Makes sense...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s all very fair.  My original comment was perhaps a tad over gloomy, doubtless reflecting the very late hour at which it was written.  </p>
<p>Your rehearsal of the changes we&#8217;ve seen in the past 10 years and the relatively quick uptake, at least in some parts of the public sector, of the new tools of Web 2.0, is a timely reminder that undiluted pessmisim is not warranted. I can go now, for example, to the main website of the Victorian Government in Australia and find, as a matter of coure, a &#8216;rate this site&#8217; button as well as twitter feeds and a couple of RSS options.  At that level, at least, you can&#8217;t deny evidence of progress.</p>
<p>So why the pessmism?  Well, because there are still levels of resistance to some of the more interesting potential changes that Web 2, especially, could bring about.  And it is also still possible to witness discussions about the need for more energetic and sustained reformation in government agencies (structure, systems, skills etc)whihc are full of overblown rhetoric and scant evidence of genuine follow through.   I think also too much of the wokr that is being done &#8211; like the &#8216;rate this site&#8217; button and the RSS feed on the Victorian Government home page &#8211; comes without any decent analysis of whether or not it is achieving anything.  What exactly do users of the Victorian Govt website get from the added features?  Is their experience of government and their interaction with the governing process any the better for these relatively superficial additions? </p>
<p>I was part of an wonderful discussion this morning between the Australian Government Task Force on Government 2.0 (www.gov2.net.au) &#8211; of which I am a member &#8211; and Beth Noveck, author of &#8220;Wiki Government&#8221; and currently Deputy CTO in the White House for the Obama open and transparent government strategy.  Among many notable insights, Beth made the point, in response to a heartfelt question from one of our public service Task Force members about the difficult of overcoming resistance to change inside the bureaucracy, that in a large and distributed enterprise like government, it was always possible to find plenty of people willing and keen to be involved in true, ground-breaking change.  The task is to find them, bind them together in new communities of influence and practice and then highlight the great results they achieve.  In other words, Beth Noveck&#8217;s advice seemed to be to &#8216;accentuate the positive&#8217;, I guess and and the risks of overdoing the pessmism.</p>
<p>Makes sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Public Strategist</title>
		<link>http://publicstrategist.com/2009/10/e-government-ten-years-on/comment-page-1/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator>Public Strategist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin - an interesting and insightful challenge.  I suspect though we may not be seeing the world very differently.  My optimism is based on how far we have moved in the last ten years, your pessimism, if I have understood it right, is based on how far there still is to go.

The focus of this post is primarily what was going on in UK central government in the early part of the decade. It&#039;s already a bit hard to remember what life was like back in those dark ages. There were no blogs.  Well that&#039;s not true, there were some, but it was a bit like the early days of Yahoo, you could pretty much list them all.  I got my first feed reader in 2001, and I was a &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; early adopter. My Society was still several years in the future.  The tools which now make playing games with government data straightforward did not exist. A ministerial blog would have been laughed at; a departmental twitter account would have been unimaginable. There was not much of an external community of interest at all, either supporting or challenging, with people such as Stephen Coleman being more the exception than the rule.

But above all, the complacency and disinterest you refer to was an order of magnitude stronger then than now, in part because it was based on genuine ignorance and the absence of any experience of web services of any kind.  This was a time when it was possible for people to have extended conversations about the exotic excitement of having bought a plane ticket online.

I am not for a moment suggesting that the golden age has arrived.  My optimism is that the direction of travel is basically the right one and that I cannot see it fundamentally changing.  Looking back a decade, we have come a huge distance.  Looking back a month or a year, the pace of change remains painfully slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin &#8211; an interesting and insightful challenge.  I suspect though we may not be seeing the world very differently.  My optimism is based on how far we have moved in the last ten years, your pessimism, if I have understood it right, is based on how far there still is to go.</p>
<p>The focus of this post is primarily what was going on in UK central government in the early part of the decade. It&#8217;s already a bit hard to remember what life was like back in those dark ages. There were no blogs.  Well that&#8217;s not true, there were some, but it was a bit like the early days of Yahoo, you could pretty much list them all.  I got my first feed reader in 2001, and I was a <i>very</i> early adopter. My Society was still several years in the future.  The tools which now make playing games with government data straightforward did not exist. A ministerial blog would have been laughed at; a departmental twitter account would have been unimaginable. There was not much of an external community of interest at all, either supporting or challenging, with people such as Stephen Coleman being more the exception than the rule.</p>
<p>But above all, the complacency and disinterest you refer to was an order of magnitude stronger then than now, in part because it was based on genuine ignorance and the absence of any experience of web services of any kind.  This was a time when it was possible for people to have extended conversations about the exotic excitement of having bought a plane ticket online.</p>
<p>I am not for a moment suggesting that the golden age has arrived.  My optimism is that the direction of travel is basically the right one and that I cannot see it fundamentally changing.  Looking back a decade, we have come a huge distance.  Looking back a month or a year, the pace of change remains painfully slow.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Stewart-Weeks</title>
		<link>http://publicstrategist.com/2009/10/e-government-ten-years-on/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Stewart-Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post - predictably.  Clear-eyed, cool and balanced.  But unlike you, I feel more pesimistic.  My instinct to be optimistic keeps foundering on layers of complacency and disinterest in many of those charged with leading our public institutions for whom acknowleding the need for the kind of profound and disruptive shifts implied in your later anlaysis are just too professionally and emotionally confronting.  

We talk blithely about the wonders of co-creation (and I am one of the blithest of the lot!) and then witness the miserable torture that many public servants have to endure as their managers and supervisors seek to stop them doing simple things like blogging from work or getting involved in public discussions about policy or service design.

I think we are miles away from the kind of tectonic shifts in culture, practice and governance that many seem to think we need (and Donald Kettl&#039;s new book is a recent addition to this dispiriting literature) but which few seem either capable or willing to execute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post &#8211; predictably.  Clear-eyed, cool and balanced.  But unlike you, I feel more pesimistic.  My instinct to be optimistic keeps foundering on layers of complacency and disinterest in many of those charged with leading our public institutions for whom acknowleding the need for the kind of profound and disruptive shifts implied in your later anlaysis are just too professionally and emotionally confronting.  </p>
<p>We talk blithely about the wonders of co-creation (and I am one of the blithest of the lot!) and then witness the miserable torture that many public servants have to endure as their managers and supervisors seek to stop them doing simple things like blogging from work or getting involved in public discussions about policy or service design.</p>
<p>I think we are miles away from the kind of tectonic shifts in culture, practice and governance that many seem to think we need (and Donald Kettl&#8217;s new book is a recent addition to this dispiriting literature) but which few seem either capable or willing to execute.</p>
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		<title>By: Public Strategist</title>
		<link>http://publicstrategist.com/2009/10/e-government-ten-years-on/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Public Strategist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s actually even messier than that, because the thing counted got changed along the way as well.  So in the early days, it was a count of interactions, with a laborious approach which attempted to count all transactions with government - many millions of them, so that online transactions could then be expressed as a percentage of the total.  Later on, and rather more manageably, the count was of services (about 450 if I remember correctly) and the percentage was of those services which could be done online.  The second method was undoubtedly an improvement on the first, but &quot;service&quot; and &quot;online&quot; are much less clear cut concepts than they first appear, so it was all pretty shaky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s actually even messier than that, because the thing counted got changed along the way as well.  So in the early days, it was a count of interactions, with a laborious approach which attempted to count all transactions with government &#8211; many millions of them, so that online transactions could then be expressed as a percentage of the total.  Later on, and rather more manageably, the count was of services (about 450 if I remember correctly) and the percentage was of those services which could be done online.  The second method was undoubtedly an improvement on the first, but &#8220;service&#8221; and &#8220;online&#8221; are much less clear cut concepts than they first appear, so it was all pretty shaky.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Phythian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Phythian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve picked up on a lot of the background I&#039;m including in my PhD on why I wasted the first half of the decade implementing e-gov - its actually about why we didn&#039;t have a baseline or measures and what they could be. The true history was Blair wanted to out-do others at the Lisbon conference, hence the increase from 50% to 10% overnight which was a complete waste of public money, that we are now having to borrow!

Mick http://greatemancipator

One possible measure was public value/social capital hence my posting of the ESRC proposal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve picked up on a lot of the background I&#8217;m including in my PhD on why I wasted the first half of the decade implementing e-gov &#8211; its actually about why we didn&#8217;t have a baseline or measures and what they could be. The true history was Blair wanted to out-do others at the Lisbon conference, hence the increase from 50% to 10% overnight which was a complete waste of public money, that we are now having to borrow!</p>
<p>Mick <a href="http://greatemancipator" rel="nofollow">http://greatemancipator</a></p>
<p>One possible measure was public value/social capital hence my posting of the ESRC proposal!</p>
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